2-3-4 for naps for babies

Oh, baby naps. They never stop being a hot topic, do they? I unfondly remember the days of trying to figure out exactly when to try to put one of mine down for a nap, and how long it should last, to preserve bedtime (aka my sanity) and morning wake-up (and any wake-ups in between). I've gotten a few questions about nap schedules, and instead of addressing each one individually (because really, I don't know any more than you do), I thought we could review common trends in napping.

By "trends" I don't mean The New Nap Stylez For 2011, but instead, what tends to happen as babies age.

0-4 months: Chaos, with some regulation as the weeks go on. Your baby will start by not staying awake for longer than 2 hours, and may condense sleeping into either a bunch of 20 or 45-minute naps or three actual naps by the time four months rolls around.

4-5.5 months: Your baby's sleep could go all to hell from the developmental spurts (buy the Wonder Weeks book or app to have it all explained to you). Or you may be one of the lucky ones whose kid starts to nap more linearly.

5.5 months to around 8 months: For a lot of people this is a time of improvement, when your baby is taking three naps a day.

8-10 months: Developmental spurt. All bets off.

10 months on through toddlerhood (with sleep blip at 13 months): Your baby might condense down to two naps. If s/he does, you might observe a 2-3-4 pattern. This means that the first nap starts roughly two hours after waking up. The second nap starts roughtly three hours after the baby wakes from the first. And bedtime starts roughly four hours after the baby wakes from the second nap. Both my kids did it on their own, like magic.

How do you feel about my rough timeline? Did it fit your experience? Did your child do 2-3-4 in the two-nap stage? How did you make it though the nap battles?

49 thoughts on “2-3-4 for naps for babies”

  1. Well Moxie, when I first had D. 17 months ago everyone (including various sleep experts) was telling me that babies should sleep frequently during the day. Well my daughter was not like that. She had problems with naps from the beginning and gradually dropped each one of them much earlier than your schedule. The third nap went by 4 months the second one by 10 and now she is dropping naps altogether. What really helped me was figuring out how much time she had from nap til bedtime. It was 3-4 hours at four months 4-5 by 10 months and 7+ now. So whenever she does take a nap now she goes to bed at 10pm. I think the number of naps a baby should take is an over-rated issue. The most important thing is to know your baby. I had so many terrible “fights” with her, trying to put her down when she didn’t want to sleep, which left me confused, angry and slightly bitter, only because “she is 4 months and should sleep 3 times a day”. Sod it. Just do what you and your baby seem comfortable with and if (s)he is well rested and happy during the day (and hopefully sleeps at night), this is what’s right for him/her.

  2. Wait, some babies take three naps until around 8 months?!? I’m not being sarcastic, I genuinely did not know that–my experience was so different.My son was down to two naps WAY early, probably around 5 months? He just does not seem to need as much sleep as other kids. It’s often a battle to get him to nap at all, and he won’t nap in his crib. For a LONG while he would only nap if someone held him, which killed us. I remember my SIL complaining to me that her 2 year old would only sleep for 3 hours for his afternoon nap–I was lucky if my son slept for 1 hour per nap from about 5mo-16 months. Now he’s 17 months and just recently started dropping his morning nap. Thankfully he has lengthened his afternoon nap a tiny bit and is now sleeping about 2-2.5 hours. In some ways this is actually easier because we have the whole morning to get stuff done, and the lengthier time really makes it feel more like a break than those quick 1 hour things he did before.
    Yeah, for some kids naps just suck.

  3. First one was a perfect 2-3-4er for several months. He was also a great night sleeper (and still is). Second one was moving toward a schedule, but that went out the window after staring daycare at 7 months; sometimes he’d sleep there, sometimes wouldn’t. He was not a good night sleeper. Sometime close to age 1 we got rid of the morning nap altogether. He started taking a long afternoon nap and started sleeping a lot better at night. I can’t remember which one of those things happened first, but they did happen around the same time.Another interesting point: the first one has always had to have a set number of hours between nap and nighttime sleep (or second nap). Even a 15 minute cat-nap resets his internal clock and he’s up til all hours. Second one is not like that at all. He can take a little cat-nap in the car on the way home from daycare, eat lunch, and go down for his long nap an hour later. No problem.
    So, yeah, know your baby. Some need regimentation and some can handle flexibility. Both have their pros and cons. And eventually they’ll probably all take a nice long afternoon nap and all will be well. Until they give that one up. :o)

  4. Shortstack was more a 2-4-3 combo but he did have a decent period of predictable naps.Weekends now he can go nap free for one day with only a little crazy-town for bedtime (33 months).
    The most interesting thing I’ve learned recently is that his tired crazy-town is actually some varriation of a cortisol rush which gave me permission to stop trying to talk him back into a calmer sleepy state and instead just say “ok, a wrestle race for jammies Bring It On!” and burn off the rush.
    If I was in the middle of cortisol rush telling me to calm down won’t help until the chemical clears…

  5. First child was an awesome napper, and by five months he was on a regular 3-nap-a-day schedule. From 9-18 months he napped twice a day, with a pretty consistent 2-3-2 and 12 hours of sleep a night (he took very long naps, so there wasn’t time for 4 hours before bedtime).Our second did not read the “sleep manual”. She never napped consistently, and at the age of 1 is already down to one nap a day (although it is fairly long, and coincides with the toddler’s nap, so we can’t complain). She does sleep though the night and is pleasant for most of the day, so we’ve given up on trying to get her to nap more.
    We thought we had the sleep thing all figured out, but it turns out our first was just a good sleeper, all on his own.

  6. Both my girls went to two naps between 6 and 9 months and then to one nap by 13 months. My oldest, now 4, gave up naps a few weeks before turning 2 1/2. My youngest, now 22 months, naps some days and doesn’t nap others. I never had the 2-3-4 scenario described in the post. Both of my girls tend to go to bed for the night after a certain number of total hours of wakefulness (not consecutive, necessarily) in a day. For instance, my brother’s daughter, now 10 months, sleeps 10 1/2-11 hours at night and take 2 2-3 hour naps a day, and falls into that 2-3-4 schedule. This means that, at most, she is awake ~10 hours a day. At 10 months, my girls tended to be awake 11-12 hours a day and wouldn’t (couldn’t) go to bed until they had reached that number. At 4, my oldest daughter is awake 13(sometimes 14!) hours a day and my youngest daughter is awake for 12. If my oldest does happen to fall asleep, then she just puts the amount of time she slept during her nap into the bank for the rest of the night (my youngest is much like this, too). This is why my oldest giving up naps was good for the whole family; it meant she went to bed closer to 8 or 8:30 than 9:30 or 10. Now that she’s older, she gets up anywhere between 7:30AM and 9AM and goes to bed between 9PM and 10PM. My youngest gets up at 7:30AM and goes to bed at 9PM, unless she skips her nap and then she goes to bed closer to 8PM.

  7. My first did a brief stint conforming to the 2-3-4 – which I read about here and was sooo helpful – but other than that was a terrible napper. Naps on the go were our saviour.My second seems to have read Weissbluth in the womb or something. 9 am nap consolidated at 3.5 months; he’s consolidating a 12:30 nap right now at 4 months (not adjusted for prematurity) and does a 4 pm catnap.
    I dunno…

  8. More or less right on . At 7 months my kids went down to 2 good sized naps ( 1 hour morn, 3 hours afternnon) and it was magic after 6 months or so of crap-naps. My kids both reduced to 1 nap at 10 months though and they are still napping at almost 4.5 and 6.5, although I don’t let the big one sleep more than 45 mintues or it will interfere with his 8 o’clock bedtime.

  9. I have one by-the-book sleeper who followed the exact nap pattern outlined above, and one child who never slept much. We’ve concluded that’s just how he is – a low sleep-needs-having person. Sucked when he was a baby but might serve him well in life.Funny, my DS’s shitty sleep habits made be want to burn the exact same sleep book that I ended up referring to constantly with my DD!

  10. “0-4 months: Chaos, with some regulation as the weeks go on. Your baby will start by not staying awake for longer than 2 hours”That sort of generalization made me feel very hopeless as a new mom. So, just sayin’ some newborns don’t sleep much.
    It gets better as they say.

  11. All of my kids went to a two nap schedule at around 6 months old. Rather than a 2-3-4 schedule though, they were more 2-3-3 kids. My 6 year old son only gave up naps when he went to kindergarten, my 3½ year old daughter skips naps at least once a week at daycare, but will nap for 3 hours on the weekend. My 8 month old girl, after months of cuddle naps, followed by months of short naps, is now a champion napper and regularly takes 2-3 hour naps twice a day. She also falls asleep on her own for both naps and at bedtime without any sleep training. I’m very lucky to have three good sleepers, but when we did have issues with the baby, this site kept me sane. Thanks Moxie and commenters.

  12. My daughter never read those parenting and sleep books after she was born and thus didn’t sleep a whole lot. Night or day. She did have some longer nap stretches before the eight month phase, but it usually meant I had to push her for ages in the stroller before she went to sleep and couldn’t stop pushing at any point. Zombie like. Completely irregular, no pattern.Which was better than driving her round in the car as a friend did as said friend, equally sleep deprived, ran into the back of a car stopping for a red light. She would pull into her driveway and go to sleep there as long as she could until the passenger woke up.
    One nap that usually worked still after 8 months was one where I’d make the bedroom very dark in the late afternoon and then I would nurse her both sides until she sort of exploded, then lie down and pull her next to me. I was typically asleep before she was. Nights were heck after 8 months so the sanity required.
    She packed in the nursing at 16 months, suddenly, and that nap no longer worked as well. And at eighteen months it was bye bye nap. Forever. I looked haggard. DH and friends told me. Felt worse.
    That’s a lie actually the no nap. She sometimes falls asleep after a major roof raising tantrum or when she’s not slept for more than two hours straight at night.
    Then as I shared before I can add up every minute she was asleep and know she’ll go to sleep later, timed to the minute. No free naps. Pay later.
    Aside from the whining DD now 3 was a very alert baby, but she was not anxious with it. So we did a lot of stuff like joining a walking group and visiting places where there were people. She was awake but didn’t cry. I really could take her places.
    After one year the tantrums started and we still go places but I walk on eggshells as outings can go wrong very fast. But going out remains the sanity saver for both DD and myself.

  13. I am so glad to have found this site! My first, is upstairs working on nap #2 right now. He’s almost 6.5 months old and we’re finally working towards a 2-3-4 schedule. When he naps for 2 hours, this works great. When he doesn’t, I try to make sure he gets a third nap somewhere in the day.

  14. Mouse was much like @Johanna’s, @Jen’s, and a couple other people’s babies. The whole “never awake for more than 2 hours” thing was a complete crock as far as she was concerned. So was the total amount of sleep recommended for any particular age. Mouse never slept more than 12 hours in a day, even as a newborn, unless she was ill. She went to 2 naps by 6 months, 1 about 13 months (generally about an hour and a quarter), and 0 at 2 years. We went through hell with daycares and preschools that had strong nap routines, because while it would be possible to get her to sleep in the afternoon, that would mean an 11:30 or later bedtime, even if she only went down for 15 mins.So very glad we are past naps!! As @hush intuits though, the low sleep need (which in Mouse’s case comes with low sensitivity to missed sleep) is quite useful now that she’s a big kid. We did a cross country trip this past weekend: arrived in NY at 6 pm local, Mouse went down at 12:45 AM (corresponding to her usual bedtime PST); the next morning, she was able to get up before 8, spend a day sightseeing and walking long distances, and attend an evening event before going down unusually quickly at 10:15 local and sleeping until 9 the next morning. No undue whininess at all.
    If you are in the throes of the nap years and your kid isn’t one for whom “sleep begets sleep” please take heart. If they are happy and active, they are almost certainly fine, whether they match all the books or not. It’s just hard to fight the dominant nap culture as parents, but it’s worth it on behalf of your kid.

  15. It is absolutely bizarre how much I know about naps – genetics, circadian rhythms, sleep cycles. No, this is not Dr. Ferber posting. It is the mom of a short napper.2-3-4 is an OK guideline in most situations. However, it doesn’t work if you have an early riser, or a short napper (or both). In these situations, you need to stretch the child so that they are napping at appropriate times, and getting to bedtime.
    I actually find most people don’t take nap problems very seriously. They will say, “Oh, it’s just a nap” or “Well, they sleep at night, don’t they?”. Well, ok, point taken. However, when you contend with the same frustration every single day for months – or years – it is a little tough to have that kind of perspective.
    Love to all the moms of short-nappers.

  16. I took what now looks like copious notes on my daughter’s sleep habits as a baby (now 5 years old and a decent night sleeper). At the time, I was freaking out if she didn’t go down when she was supposed to/woke up too early. Reading through those notes now, she wasn’t too shabby a sleeper. I was wound really tightly in my role as new mother, and could absolutely not see the forest for the trees.Just to give some perspective for those who are sleep-deprived and stretched thin. It’s hard, even when it’s sort of ok.
    Not data points, but just wanted to say it.

  17. I think @hush hit on something important- the advice/book that is golden for one kid may be crazy-making when you try to apply it to another kid. I think sleep is something that you have to figure out for each kid. This is soooo hard when you’re a new mom and it feels like you’re doing it all wrong. But trust yourself. Just make sure there are no signs of sleep deprivation in your kid, work out how to get enough sleep/down time to make your own life bearable and ignore everything else.That said- my first (the crappy sleeper) followed roughly the trend you outlined- except that she’d only sleep when moving (i.e., in a stroller or a car) for a long time. At home. At day care, she napped. She still does. She doesn’t at home. She’s another relatively low sleep needs kid, and as @Charisse says, that gets to be a good thing.
    My second would be an awesome sleeper if we could keep her healthy, and she followed no pattern at all until she was about 1. Go figure.

  18. My #1 kid (who now at 6 sleeps just fine) was more of a 3-4-5 during his first year with the naps being about 45 minutes each and about 10.5-11 hours overnight. He still sleeps about 10-10.5 hours over night (no naps, cuz he’s SIX!!!!).My #2 kid (who is 2.5) was a 2-2-2-2-2 kid who took 4 naps of an hour each until he went to day care at 6 months (and then all bets are off…I have found that day cares have no idea how much sleep babies need and some parents actually ask them not to nap the babies at all “so they’ll sleep at night”). He still naps 2 hours (from 1-3 pm) and does not need to be parented to sleep at all and I find it fascinating how very different my kids are/were.

  19. My first daughter was the best sleeper until she turned 2. Now she fights naps and wants to stay awake, although she falls asleep for her nap easily enough (as long as you keep an eye on her). My second daughter (soon to 8 mos) is a champion night sleeper but doesn’t nap long. She seems to be taking longer naps more frequently, so I hope these will become the norm soon. I would rather her night sleep stay undisturbed and lose a nap, though. #1 was a linear sleeper – followed the books. #2 was great until 4 mos – now she’s great again, but I’m not counting on that lasting… fingers crossed, though!

  20. My first (now just shy of his 4th birthday) was and still is an amazing sleeper. Slept through the night (8-7) by about 9 months, and consistently took two naps (generally on the 2,3, 4 rule), dropped the AM nap at 16 months and still to this day is good for about 3 hours in the afternoon (generally 2-5) with an 8:30 bedtime. By about 6-8 months you could put him in the crib awake with his paci and lovey and he’d go to sleep by himself.So far, #2 (just under 4 months) is a totally inconsistent napper (and sleeper in general). Some days he’ll nap for 3 hours in the AM and an hour and a half or so in the afternoon, other days he seems to be on a 45 minute schedule. He does not wake up at a consistent time but we try to get him down for his first nap 2 hours after he wakes up, with the second 2-3 hours later depending on how long he slept. Whether or not he gets a third nap depends on the timing of the second. He’s also totally inconsistent at night. Some nights he sleeps for 7-8 hours without waking, others he wakes up after 4 hours. He does have some GI issues so I think those may contribute to the inconsistency. I hope we get to some sort of pattern soon, though; I like the idea of flexible schedules.
    Right now we are dealing with trying to get him out of sleeping in the swing (not moving, he just likes the cradle) and then I feel like I need to tackle the fact that he only likes to go to sleep while eating (bottle or breast, doesn’t matter to him). Not to hijack the thread but if anyone has experience successfully dealing with either of those situations, let me know.

  21. Yuck, naps. I have a 2.5 yo pretty good napper (now) but just ok nighttime sleeper. Two things I feel I can add to this discussion:1) The sense of relief I felt when he moved from 2 naps to 1 nap/day at 1 yo is still very fresh and real. Only one “fight” a day. Now we don’t fight at all. Ahhh…
    2) Moving from 3 naps to 2 naps/2 naps to 1 nap I remember a pattern of needing that “extra” nap every couple of days or so, for up to a few weeks. So in that transition time (up to 1 month), I went with the flow and allowed for that “catch-up nap” every couple days, as needed.

  22. This is spot on for all three of my kids. They all took three naps till about 8 months, although the 3rd nap was often a short powernap to get through till bedtime. And then yes, they all fell into the 2-3-4 pattern really naturally. However, I have to say, my third has been super flexible–she’s 12 months now, and she actually does more of a 2-4-3 pattern in order to accomodate the school schedule of my oldest.

  23. Mine was in the NICU for just over a week and then we were told to keep her on their feeding schedule, so she was on a three hour wake up from birth forwards. She is now 20 months and three or four hours is still her maximum consecutive sleep duration. She also had four months of unexplained screaming but thankfully that is over now – remembering that makes me less troubled about constant sleep interruptions and more grateful that she is at least not screaming!

  24. @Jen, if my kid would “only” nap 3 hours in the afternoon, I would save $500 a month on a babysitter and finish all my work from home while my daughter was asleep. Yeesh.Cricket has followed roughly the schedule Moxie outlined with the caveat that she needs to be held. 0-4 months was chaotic, as far as a schedule, but she slept for roughly an hour in the morning and three hours in the afternoon pretty reliably between 2 and 4 months. I watched a lot of TV. Napping went to crap at 4 months and only recently did she start sleeping for longer than 45 minutes at a time. And she’s 8 months, which means this will last for approximately two days before the next regression. Argh.
    I alternate between wanting to “train” her to sleep without being held (by putting her down and just dealing with the consequences) and wanting to make sure she gets enough sleep during at least one of her naps to keep her happy while the babysitter is here. Sometimes, there’s a happy medium where I put her down for the first part of a nap, and then rush over to get her at the first sign of restlessness, pop her on the boob, and cross all fingers and toes that she’ll go back to sleep for another cycle. This lets me get a few things done but still ensure that she gets enough rest (she seems to need about 3 hours total sleep during the day to maintain a relatively good mood until bedtime).
    Oh, and while she does seem to get tired on the 2-3-4 schedule right now, it’s not always consistent, and often depends on what we’re doing that day, how much stimulation she’s received, teeth, or anything remotely different or disruptive. I decided not to tie myself to this if I have errands to run or something else “exciting” to do (my daughter can keep herself awake for a surprisingly long time in the car). I just accept that she won’t get as much sleep that day since I can’t stay home tied to the couch all the time.

  25. Gah. Naps.Rosie (now almost-4) has always been a fantastic night sleeper (slept right through at just a few months old, never looked back, nary a regression) and the Crappiest Napper On Earth. At about age 3 I finally threw in the towel and she gave up the “nap”. Yeah it’s in quotations because to call it a nap is a stretch.
    Annie (16 mo) is a fantastic napper and the Crappiest Night Sleeper On Earth. Leaving the night sleep aside because this topic is about naps, Annie’s naps are glorious 2.5 hour delights in the afternoons. She’s down to one nap now. She had two glorious 2 hour naps at around 6 months and dropped down to one at around 12 months. Putting her down for a nap was as easy as simply putting her down. Literally.
    Ok I might be exaggerating a bit. Annie’s had her moments of crap napping. And once Rosie was consistently on one nap it wasn’t so bad. But their sleep is just so polar opposite I find it hard to believe they are related sometimes.

  26. My daughter, now five months and my first child, was nothing like the above. From two months old, I’ve had her on Tizzie Hall’s routines and she has been a dream – without fail. Within 12 hours of starting the routines, she went from not sleeping at all – day or night – to sleeping 7pm to 7am (with feeds during the night when she was younger) and having 2 x 2 hour sleeps during the day and 1 x 1 hour nap in the afternoon, with 2 hours uptime in between sleeps/naps. She’s even teething now and still sleeps all night!

  27. 3 naps a day! Not awake for more than 2 hours at time! Unheard of here. Awake 17 (or more) hours straight (very nearly) daily from 3 days onwards, oh yes. Slept for a couple of hours in the afternoon about half the time from 6months to 18 months only, that’s us. Once when he was ill he napped twice in day.At 4 he still sleeps less than any of his friends, with up to 10 hours a night, but can be down to 7 with no ill effects for him (only us). But then he has at least one friend who sleeps 14+ hours a day, and becomes extremely tearful and overwhelmed if he has to make it past 1.30 without a nap, so the need for sleep really really varies, even at this age.
    Partly I’m glad I didn’t know that other kids slept like this – the jealousy alone would have crippled me. My life improved when I accepted that he just didn’t need to sleep much, and we just got on with our long long days together.
    However, realising how much time off other people had scattered throughout the day might have helped me to be gentle with myself about what else other than childcare others achieved daily, and their ability to have coherent thoughts sometimes.
    If you know someone with a nonsleeper, be gentle, and offer sympathy not judgement of them or the child. It’s amazing how much spontaneous criticism you can get for having a child who isn’t asleep when others believe they should be.
    And yes, there are great things about having a kid who doesnt need so much sleep. We’ve always been able to get out more, do more together, follow a whim, and have more fun than friends who were very tied to the house for much needed sleep. (But it’s been together, not what I can do by myself.) He’s going to find it much easier coping with being in school from 9 to 3.30 from September than some of his peers who have never been awake for that whole period.
    If the next one is a major league sleeper like my husband and his entire family (both as adults and kids), my views may change dramatically. But not the bit about never be smug or judgemental at someone whose kids sleeps less than yours, that is burnt into my soul.

  28. We worked hard with DS for naps/night time sleep. He is almost 3 and we are still tweaking to find the perfect formula. Sleep for him = a happier child and he was (and still is) pretty emotional due to sensory dysfunction. More sleep helps a ton with regulation.My only sign that he was nearing to dropping a nap was night waking. He generally sleeps right through. If he wakes at night and can’t go back to sleep for an hour or so, the day sleep is off.
    He went to 1 nap at 12 months of age and should have gone earlier as he woke up at night for a while before I got the message.
    Now that he will be 3 next month, he is starting the cycle again. So, I know naps are going to need to go away. We are trying to shorten then to 1 hour or less and it is working (for the moment).
    My best advice for naps is to just pay attention. My son always gives me clues. Like the night waking. Sometimes I am just not listening. 🙂

  29. I was desperate for napping/sleeping advice and early on, I found your 2-3-4 post(s). They have been a lifesaver for me. My daughter (nearly 13 months) was an inconsistent sleeper for the first five or six months and then we sleep trained her. The naps were still all over the place though and I found it difficult to cope with since I started working from home part-time. BUT, the last few months – and I don’t even know how many, but definitely three and maybe four – she has been sleeping pretty consistently on the 2-3-4. We have been able to adjust our schedules and expectations accordingly and it has brought a lot of peace to our house.I know a lot of people who are Babywise followers and I just can’t abide by that expectation for my child, but the 2-3-4 has been invaluable for me. Thank you for giving me something to fall back on and use as a resource.

  30. My daughter is 2 months old. It’s rare that she’s awake for more than 2 hours. Her naps are indeed anywhere from 20 minutes to 45 minutes. Once in awhile she’ll throw in an hour, hour and 15 nap. It was a bit of an adjustment from the newborn naps when she pretty much slept all the time. Now I try to see what I can get down around the house before she wakes up.I’ll definitely be back here as she gets older to see what’s what with the naps!

  31. the first two words out of my mouth (literally aloud) when I read your post was ‘oh fun’. My baby is 7.5 months and I don’t want another developmental spurt where all bets are off!!! wha wha wha!!!okay, but what we have now is: 10-12 hours at night (heaven) and 2 naps. The morning nap is about 3 hours after she wakes up and can last from 30 minutes to 2 hours. You just don’t know. Especially since it’s no longer in the swing.. so it’s normally closer to 30 minutes.
    The afternoon nap.. last week had been a consistent 3+ hour nap. This week, 2+ hours. Guess we’re headed towards that spurt.
    She has followed most of the general sleep patterns. Her 4month regression happened at 3.5 months and lasted until 5months or later. When she was teeny, I never knew which nap would be 20 minutes and which one would be 2 hours. She always had a super long one in there, but WHEN it would happen was always a question. It started really evening out around 5months or so and then we got into a pattern. For me, it helped to just stay home long enough for the patterns to be recognizeable. When you’re constantly going places, baby naps in the car, here and there and you don’t really know what part of all that is part of their routine and what part is linked to being in a comfy carseat, etc.

  32. Another ‘by the book’ sleeper here…well in terms of naps anyhow. All bets off for nighttime sleep. DS pretty much followed @Moxie’s trend above, with the addition of another blip at 18 months, and perhaps at around 26/27 months.ITA with @Cloud’s comment:
    “I think @hush hit on something important- the advice/book that is golden for one kid may be crazy-making when you try to apply it to another kid. I think sleep is something that you have to figure out for each kid. This is soooo hard when you’re a new mom and it feels like you’re doing it all wrong. But trust yourself. Just make sure there are no signs of sleep deprivation in your kid, work out how to get enough sleep/down time to make your own life bearable and ignore everything else.”
    Oh. Yeah. Really, I think these points and the fact that too many people are ready to comment on what *your* kids sleep needs are, combined with your own sleep deprivation, are what makes sleep such an issue for many. It really is a learning curve…esp for a first time mum.
    The whole sleep thing was (is?!) my biggest teacher in terms of understanding (and believing) that I am the one that knows what’s best for my kid.
    Also, I think each sleep style has it’s own advantages and disadvantages, even if it’s hard to see the advantages some times. We are now pretty envious of people with kids DS’ age (almost 3) that don’t need a nap. You can get so much more done in the day.
    On a whim we tried it (no nap) on Mother’s day. DS did remarkably well and enjoyed his day. Naturally, the expected meltdown did arrive at dinner time. But it was fun to glimpse into the world of non-napping toddlers. And it was apparent that we are not yet at the point of no naps. For now, we’ll make the most of it by napping ourselves or having an hour or two of downtime.

  33. UUGGGHHH baby naps. My daughter will be 9 months old next week (she’s a 7 1/2 months adjusted age preemie). She’s between mental leaps 5 and 6 in Wonder Weeks (she’s 32 weeks adjusted).For months I have clung blindly to your “Q&A: naps at around 3 months” post, where we lament the 45-minute nap. You state, “And then, somehow, when your baby is right around 5 or 5 1/2 months old (or 4 1/2 if you’re really lucky), your baby will go into a new growth/developmental spurt and will start taking longer naps.” Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. My daughter did *not* get that message.
    She takes maybe one nap that’s longer than 45 minutes each week. One. And for every nap, she has to be somehow cajoled to do sleep — bottle, bouncing, driving, stroller, etc. She fights it like nobody’s business. All of the “sleep experts” who tell you to put her down “drowsy but awake?” Yeah. They can try it, it’s not happening. We put her down at her first sign of sleepiness, and she’ll cry and cry and cry — and she is not a tension releaser.
    And now, you say, she’s about to enter *another* growth spurt? Awesome.
    I don’t know how anyone has more than one child. I am exhausted just thinking about it.

  34. Haven’t read through all of the posts but Moxie, for me your summary was pretty much right on. It helped me survive the first year with both of my kids. I knew when to look out for transitions and changes and it was so helpful! Especially the 2-3-4.Something else I thought I would note…a book I read when I had my second child helped tremendously. (90 Minute Sleep Program) It really helped me figure out my daughter’s sleep cues. And the theory is that for the first 6 months or so babies get sleepy 90 minutes after they wake up. And no joke it was totally true for my daughter. I would set a timer when she woke up and at about 85 minutes the sleep cues would begin and if I started doing our ‘go to sleep’ routine, she would fall right to sleep by the 90 minute mark without drama. NO KIDDING. I know it sounds crazy and I didn’t believe it either but it was awesome!! Especially in the middle of the night. After feeding her, if she didn’t go right back to sleep, I at least knew WHEN she would most likely be ready to go back to sleep. Most of the time she would fall asleep eating but if not, it was so much easier dealing with being awake at night know when she would fall back asleep.
    Then as they get older, they are able to stay awake longer. So instead of 90 minutes, I set the timer for 180 minutes and same thing…sleep cues came as expected.
    This really eliminated the nap drama for us. I so wish I had known this with my first child. Again, I know it sounds crazy but if you are having a hard time getting your new baby to nap or don’t know their sleep cues yet, try it. If they aren’t sleeping, you have nothing to lose anyway, right???

  35. DD is 10 1/2 mo. and firmly in a 2/3/4-6(?)ish pattern of naps (thanks to earlier Ask Moxie posts advocating it!). I try to be firm about a 7pm bedtime, but she wakes anywhere from 5:30-7am. Once awake, there’s no guarantee on how long her naps will be regardless of how much sleep she’s gotten the night before. So if they are short (30-45min), she’s up longer before she goes to bed. If they are long(1 to 1 1/2hr, unfortunately rarely), she’s not up as long before bed. Yes, she gets cranky when her naps have been short, but putting her to bed early just seems to make it worse in that she wakes up earlier the next day.For me the hardest thing in regard to naps is the transition to the convertible car seat. We live 20-30 minutes from all but one grocery store, and I prefer to run errands between first and second naps, so on those days her second nap is usually entirely in the car. And sometimes it gets fragmented if I have multiple stops I can’t put off. But I try not to do that to her on a regular basis.
    I know at some point she’s the one who decided that 7pm was when she wanted to go to sleep for the night, but it’s kinda foggy when that happened (between 6-7 months?).

  36. Moxie,I love you. I know you probably find it tedious to repost old stuff, but can I just say, I remember this discussion from when my daughter was just born and it was so helpful to me (especially the 2-3-4 pattern).
    It’s still true, and I thank-you-thank-you for reposting this information.
    I literally sleep better because Ask Moxie is around.

  37. @ G’s mum: Oh god the screaming, just started for us, lasted 4 months for you???? HOLY CRAP I don’t think I can take it if he screams for 4 months. Been waking up every hour screaming bloody murder with his eyes closed.Please help me I’m so tired. Child fights sleep. There is no pattern to his naps. Should I be keeping a nap journal? I feel bad that I have no idea what his sleep patterns are. WELL that’s not entirely true, but the moment I think I’ve got it figured it out roughly, the next day he does something completely different. Like one day at daycare last week, he was awake from 6:30am until 2:30pm!!! (he just turned 7 months old today) They said he was fine, happy, alert, having a grand old time and they were like OMG he’s been awake all morning and hasn’t had a nap yet! Then he only slept for an hour, woke up crying. I tried to put him right to bed when we got home, he fought me for hours, and slept EXACTLY the same that night as every night. No better, no worse. On the days he has “great naps” according to his caregivers, he still sleeps crappy at night. I’m losing my mind. We tried putting him in the crib, it was a bust. He wants none of it. He escalates with crying and it takes him forever to calm down if we let him get worked up. I am at my wit’s end. Whoever has advice, I’m ready, I’ll try anything! TIA

  38. This site is where I learned about 2-3-4, and it worked for us like a charm! I’m so glad you taught me to look out for this pattern. BabyT has been a very good sleeper, except for bouts of night waking, but all in all we’ve been very lucky.We did very well with the “put her down for a nap every 2-3 hours” until around 5 months when it stopped working and she settled on 3 naps. She dropped down to 2 naps around8 or 9 months, can’t remember, and then was in a weird state for a while when dropping down to 1. Daycare at 12 months forced the issue (they only do one nap) so we had to mess around with her schedule and move bedtime WAY up to 6pm so that she wasn’t wretchedly tired and cranky.
    But now (fingers crossed) at 20 months it’s like freakin’ clockwork. 2.5 hour afternoon nap that starts between 11:30 and noon. I’m loving it and hope she naps for a long, long time. If she inherited my love for sleep, she will 🙂

  39. I also found out about the 2-3-4 from this site and used it with my daughter. It was an awesome starting point from which I tweeked it a bit based on her own ‘needs.’ With #2, nothing worked consistently until he was a year. Now he’s a great napper.

  40. I found out the 2-3-4 thing from this site, and it worked a treat. At 7 months DS had no routine, naps were all over the place and he was waking 6 or 7 times a night. I put him on a 2-3-4 plan and used some No-Cry Sleep Solution ideas at night, and his sleep was transformed – only 2 night wakings (until he hit the 8 month sleep regression, that was…)I had to tweak it a bit, and the gaps between naps gradually lengthened but it really helped me as I’ve always struggled to tell when he’s tired.
    He went to 1 nap at 13 months, although he was ready for it really at 12 months. (I had a chronic fear of him getting overtired as we’d had terrible problems with sleep fighting / night waking due to overtiredness in the past.)
    I’ve not read the 90 minute sleep program that JulieB mentions, but DS was awake in 1.5 hour chunks when he was tiny, and even now if he gets to the point of being wide awake in the middle of the night, it’ll be 90 mins before he gets drowsy again. That discovery helped save my sanity as at least I could just cuddle him in the dark until the 90 mins were up, then feed or rock him back to sleep again.
    Nowadays (16 months) he needs feeding/rocking to sleep every time except after being awake in the night for 90 mins, when he can do it on his own.

  41. My 9 month old daughter did the 2-3-4 schedule completely on her own. It is wonderful to know when she will be ready for a nap. Even if she doesn’t look tired and she’s having a grand time playing with her toys, once the two hour or the three hour mark hits, I put her in her crib, turn the white noise machine on, and BOOM! Within ten minutes she’s snoozing. Predictablity is wonderful when it comes to babies! She wasn’t always a great sleeper, but once she hit about 6 months, it all fell into place (thanks to Dr. Ferber, pacis, and white noise)!

  42. Naturalnie ich najwiekszym pozytywem jest dopiero co zaplata – oprocentowanie na formacie 25% oraz czestokroc nieobecnosc ktorejkolwiek wspomagajacych wydatkow przeznaczy RRSO rowne… 25%.Do licha i troche kontrowersji wywiera oraz wzieta „obsluga pokojowa”, czyli przydatna posluga, w srodku jaka powinno sie chociaz slono zrewanzowac sie.
    Wierzytelnosci pozabankowe „stluklyby” w takim razie debet gotowkowy 2 do 1.
    To co niemiara jednakowoz troszke? Niestety, nie wiemy, na osnowie ktorych parametrow kalkulator wyliczyl niniejsza stope, azali wlaczylby niezaleznie od rozmiary takze nieprzyjezdnego koszty (np. dywidende).
    Absencja formalnosci natomiast ktorzykolwiek kontroli kolegi wywoluje, iz szybka pozyczke byc w uzyciu prawdopodobnie realnie everyman.

  43. Joanna Krawczyk-Golba sposrod biura prasowego Nordea Banku weryfikuje co prawda, iz system z rozwiazania wyrzuca awizo o wariacji oprocentowania na odwrot na jeden adres.TUDZIEz w banku? A w banku kiedy to w banku – oczekuje na nas masa rozmaitych formalnosci, mus opisywania rzadu poswiadczen oraz rozciagly trwanie przewidywania na uchwale kredytowa tudziez panszczyzne specyfikow.
    W kompletnej medialnej „nagonce” na spolki pozyczkowe, calkowici zaniedbuja o niepewnej tresci – to pozyczkobiorca determinuje sie na wziecie rychlej wierzytelnosci a postepuje to calkiem dobrowolnie.
    Chocby sposrod niniejszego oskarzyciela, pod adresem dorady, wskazane jest zademonstrowac, w ktory badania spolki pozyczkowe konfabuluja swoich kontrahentow.
    ORAZ jednakze sposob jest linie – wystarczy okroic legalnie oprocentowanie biezacego debetow pozabankowych, oraz „mekka” spolek pozyczkowych niezwykle w mgnieniu oka sie przerwie.

  44. Wierzytelnosci pozabankowe sa tym samym nawet kilkunastokrotnie drozsze anizeli tradycyjny kredyt w banku…Internetowa zadluzenie prywatna istnieje na sposob obcym podczas gdy wierzytelnoscia udostepniana za pomoca specyficznego inwestora.
    Poprzednia nowelizacja przyczyny S konstytuuje, ze kredytobiorca zadluzajacy sie w odmiennej walucie bedzie zdolal zdobyc debet tylko na taka sumke, jakiej miesieczna splata nie bedzie zdrowsza niz 42 odsetek dochodow netto.
    Ma to do licha i troche korzysci, i az do tych najlepszych mozna zaliczyc porzadek kredytu na dluzszy chronos czasu (czyli de facto obnizenie miesiecznej stawki) zas prostota obslugi swojego obciazenia (jakis zadluzenie, jedna wspolczynnik, niepewne czas splaty).
    Jednak co w sprawy, podczas gdy po rozwodzie blizej nie okreslony ze wspolkredytobiorcow przestanie oplacac wlasna akt stopie?
    kredyty chwilówki

  45. Byc przypadkiem tematem tym winni pochwycic sie prawodawcy .Zawzdy, podczas gdy pojdzie sie az do komorek bankow, bedzie sie mozna dowiedziec do licha i troche o ich ofercie, w zwiazku z tym kazdy ma obowiazek to czynic.
    Kredytobiorca, jaki splaca wieksza punkt programu kredytu, byc moze naplynac z regresem az do wtorego kredytobiorcy
    Jako ze w natury w fabryce pozabankowej pozyczke moze uzyskac w pelni jederman, natomiast przeto chocby bez pracy, ktory w za posrednictwem zeszlego szybuje bez szczescia poszukiwal ksiegi badz mac sam wychowujaca trojke czereda.
    Na eudajmonia trwaja takze fabryki, ktorych funkcjonowanie w Necie przebywa sie z korzyscia dla kontrahenta. W tych firmach popularnosc pozyczki za pomoca Siec istotnie bedzie tansze niz wybor „zwyklej” odmianie pozyczki.
    pożyczki chwilówki

  46. I bought a Zipadee-Zip and it’s worked really well for our little guy. He was right at the point to where he’d break out of his swaddle multiple times during the night, but had trouble falling asleep without it. The Zipadee-Zip seemed to help him not flail around so much, and I really like that it keeps his hands covered- keeps them warm, and he likes to chew on the sleeves, haha. He slept amazingly well in it the first night. I have washed and dried ours a bunch of times, and it is holding up well.

  47. Any tips on getting a kid on a 2-3-4 schedule when he goes to daycare? The 2 hour mark would be right when we’re dropping him off, so he won’t be able to go to sleep right away. Thoughts?

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